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	<title>Comments on: Atom and Shibboleth</title>
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		<title>By: William Waites</title>
		<link>http://copac.ac.uk/blog/2009/03/atom-and-shibboleth/comment-page-1/#comment-313</link>
		<dc:creator>William Waites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JavaScript is not good for this sort of thing. This means making any of the data machine-useable is very hard which means building services or programs that use the information is hard - and it shouldn&#039;t be.

Also keep in mind that many web browsers, particularly those in mobile phones might not work properly with JavaScript cruft. Imagine you&#039;re somewhere deep in the stacks and you want to look something up - why not do it right then and there instead of going to find a computer?

Cookies are better but still unwieldy. I agree with Owen that if at all possible tokens in nice stable (RESTful) URLs are the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JavaScript is not good for this sort of thing. This means making any of the data machine-useable is very hard which means building services or programs that use the information is hard &#8211; and it shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that many web browsers, particularly those in mobile phones might not work properly with JavaScript cruft. Imagine you&#8217;re somewhere deep in the stacks and you want to look something up &#8211; why not do it right then and there instead of going to find a computer?</p>
<p>Cookies are better but still unwieldy. I agree with Owen that if at all possible tokens in nice stable (RESTful) URLs are the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely! I&#039;m really happy that you are providing these as Atom feeds.

What I meant was that before we can answer the question of how to best &#039;protect&#039; the feeds, we need to understand how they might be used.

Since my immediate desire is to reuse the feed in some way, then it would be much easier if you followed your suggestion of a unique id in the URL - as then I can make the decision straight away of how I reuse - I can embed in various environments without sharing the details (e.g. in my own blog), or if I want I can tell other people the location.

So - there&#039;s my vote!

However, I can understand others might only want to use the marked list within the COPAC environment, and don&#039;t care about reuse, but do care about security - and they are going to have a different answer.

In terms of the beta, it would be great (IMO) to do it as a unique token in the URL, because then you will see experiments in reuse as well - which is impossible while it is protected with Shib.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely! I&#8217;m really happy that you are providing these as Atom feeds.</p>
<p>What I meant was that before we can answer the question of how to best &#8216;protect&#8217; the feeds, we need to understand how they might be used.</p>
<p>Since my immediate desire is to reuse the feed in some way, then it would be much easier if you followed your suggestion of a unique id in the URL &#8211; as then I can make the decision straight away of how I reuse &#8211; I can embed in various environments without sharing the details (e.g. in my own blog), or if I want I can tell other people the location.</p>
<p>So &#8211; there&#8217;s my vote!</p>
<p>However, I can understand others might only want to use the marked list within the COPAC environment, and don&#8217;t care about reuse, but do care about security &#8211; and they are going to have a different answer.</p>
<p>In terms of the beta, it would be great (IMO) to do it as a unique token in the URL, because then you will see experiments in reuse as well &#8211; which is impossible while it is protected with Shib.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://copac.ac.uk/blog/2009/03/atom-and-shibboleth/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owen, I think the important thing is that the records/searches are available as an Atom feed - a well know format that is easy to work with and should be easy to re-purpose. So, if for example,  I want to take along a set of references to lookup in a library, I can tag them and then pull up a feed of those tagged references on my mobile device when I get there. Similarly, I may want a set of pre-defined searches to take along to a demo/meeting/seminar.

What we are trying to do is make the data available in ways that are easy to work with so that people can do things with it that we haven&#039;t envisaged. The potential is also there to add data from services other than Copac.

The ability to make your feeds public will come... (sooner rather than later.)

Ashley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen, I think the important thing is that the records/searches are available as an Atom feed &#8211; a well know format that is easy to work with and should be easy to re-purpose. So, if for example,  I want to take along a set of references to lookup in a library, I can tag them and then pull up a feed of those tagged references on my mobile device when I get there. Similarly, I may want a set of pre-defined searches to take along to a demo/meeting/seminar.</p>
<p>What we are trying to do is make the data available in ways that are easy to work with so that people can do things with it that we haven&#8217;t envisaged. The potential is also there to add data from services other than Copac.</p>
<p>The ability to make your feeds public will come&#8230; (sooner rather than later.)</p>
<p>Ashley.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some quick comments - I&#039;ve just tried accessing my own &#039;my references&#039; feed using Chrome - having already logged into COPAC beta via Shibboleth separately.

This seems to work fine - I can access the feed in my browser. However, if I try to add it to Google Reader it sees it as empty (of course)

However, I think we need to get down to some use cases on this. Why would I want to access a feed of my own searches/refereces in a feed reader? This seems an unlikely application as I don&#039;t need to be updated on this.

The first use that comes to mind is the ability to embed the list into other web resources - but for this to happen I&#039;d need to be able to make the feed publicly available - so the idea of a simple dedicated URL appeals in this instance.

What other use cases are there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some quick comments &#8211; I&#8217;ve just tried accessing my own &#8216;my references&#8217; feed using Chrome &#8211; having already logged into COPAC beta via Shibboleth separately.</p>
<p>This seems to work fine &#8211; I can access the feed in my browser. However, if I try to add it to Google Reader it sees it as empty (of course)</p>
<p>However, I think we need to get down to some use cases on this. Why would I want to access a feed of my own searches/refereces in a feed reader? This seems an unlikely application as I don&#8217;t need to be updated on this.</p>
<p>The first use that comes to mind is the ability to embed the list into other web resources &#8211; but for this to happen I&#8217;d need to be able to make the feed publicly available &#8211; so the idea of a simple dedicated URL appeals in this instance.</p>
<p>What other use cases are there?</p>
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